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- 회원들이 추천해주신 좋은 글들을 따로 모아놓는 공간입니다.
- 추천글은 매주 자문단의 투표로 선정됩니다.
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전체기타일상/생각꿀팁/강좌게임문학영화의료/건강문화/예술경제체육/스포츠과학철학/종교정치/사회요리/음식역사여행IT/컴퓨터음악창작사진
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| Name | 구밀복검 |
| Subject | Elo rating으로 보는 주요 클럽들의 피크 포인트 |
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- Elo rating은 체스에서 사용하는 레이팅 측정 방법입니다. 처음에 일정 점수를 모든 선수에게 부여한 뒤, 승부에 임하는 양자의 포인트 차이와 승패에 따라 가/감이 결정되어 점수가 오르내리는 방식이죠. 뒤에 자세히 설명하겠지만, 간단하게 이야기하면 강한 상대를 이길 수록 높은 점수를 얻을수 있고, 약한 상대에게 패할수록 큰 점수를 잃게 됩니다. 레이팅 차이로부터 기대승률 값을 계산하여 이것을 실제 승률로 수렴되도록 설계한 것이 특징인데요. 롤의 MMR도 비슷한 방식으로 결정되죠. 보다 자세한 설명은 http://pgr21.com/?b=8&n=52148을 참조 - 데이터 출처는 http://clubelo.com 입니다. 이곳은 유럽 대항전과 리그 경기만이 산정대상이 되어 이런저런 기타 경기들이 빠진다는 단점이 있기 때문에 각 클럽의 국내 녹아웃 토너먼트 입상 성적도 넣었습니다. - 기준은 시즌 종료 시점입니다. 시즌 중의 피크 포인트와는 다를 수 있습니다. 예컨대 시즌 중 포인트로 보면 역대 1/2위는 11-12 UCL 4강전 직전의 펩 바르셀로나와 13-14 분데스리가 역대 최단 시간 우승 확정 시점의 펩 바이언이지만, 이들 모두 정점을 찍고 하락해서 시즌 종료 시점을 기준으로 하면 클럽 레코드는 아니죠. - 각 클럽별로 피크 시즌만 등재했습니다. 예컨대 바르셀로나의 11-12 시즌 종료 시점의 포인트는 12-13 하인케스 바이언보다 높지만 등재하지 않았습니다. 1. 레알 마드리드(무리뉴) : 2011-12 시즌, 2087  * 리그 우승(승점 100/114), UCL 4강, 코파 델 레이 8강 2. 바르셀로나(엔리케) : 2014-15 시즌, 2085  * 리그 우승(승점 94/114), UCL 우승, 코파 델 레이 우승 - 트레블 3. 바이에른 뮌헨(하인케스) : 2012-13 시즌, 2067  * 리그 우승(승점 91/102), UCL우승, DFB 포칼 우승 - 트레블 4. 맨체스터 유나이티드(퍼거슨) : 2007-08 시즌, 2025  * 리그 우승(승점 87/114), UCL 우승, FA 컵 8강 - 더블 5. 첼시 : 2007-08 시즌(그랜트), 2015 * 리그 준우승(승점 85/114), UCL 준우승, FA 컵 8강 6. 아틀레티코 마드리드(시메오네) : 2015-16 시즌, 2002  * 리그 3위(승점 88/114), UCL 준우승, 코파 델 레이 8강 7. 리버풀(베니테즈) : 2008-09 시즌, 1977  * 리그 준우승(승점 86/114), UCL 8강, FA 컵 32강 8. 밀란(카펠로) : 1992-93 시즌, 1974  * 리그 우승(승점 50/68), UCL 준우승, 코파 이탈리아 4강 9. 아약스(코바치) : 1972-73 시즌, 1959  * 리그 우승(승점 60/68), EC 우승, KNVB 컵 32강 탈락 - 더블 10. 인테르(에레라) : 1964-65 시즌, 1957  * 리그 우승(승점 54/68), EC 우승, 코파 이탈리아 준우승 - 더블 11. 포르투(빌라스보아스) : 2010-11 시즌, 1952  * 리그 우승(승점 84/90), UEL 우승, 타싸 드 포르투갈 우승 - 유로파 트레블 12. 맨체스터 시티(페예그리니) : 2013-14 시즌, 1951  * 리그 우승(승점 86/114), UCL 16강, FA 컵 8강, 리그컵 우승 13. 도르트문트(클롭) : 2012-13 시즌, 1945 * 리그 준우승(승점 66/102), UCL 준우승, DFB 포칼 8강 14. 아스날(벵거) : 2007-08 시즌, 1941 * 리그 3위(승점 83/114), UCL 8강, FA 컵 32강 14. 발렌시아(베니테즈) : 2003-04 시즌, 1941  * 리그 우승(승점 77/114), UC 우승, 코파 델 레이 8강 - 유에파 더블 16. 함부르크(제베츠) : 1979-80시즌, 1935  * 리그 준우승(48/68), EC 준우승, DFB 포칼 32강 17. 유벤투스(리피) : 1994-95 시즌, 1932  * 리그 우승(73/102), UC 준우승, 코파 이탈리아 우승 18. 글라트바흐(바이스바일러) : 1974-75 시즌, 1930  * 리그 우승, UC 우승, DFB 포칼 64강 - 유에파 더블 19. 세비야(에메리) : 2014-15 시즌, 1915 * 리그 5위(76/114), UEL 우승, 코파 델 레이 8강 - 마드리드나 바르셀로나 같은 팀들은 이외에도 2000점이 넘는 시즌이 널렸습니다. 어디까지나 클럽 피크 시점만 기록한 거다보니 한 번만 등재. - 거의 대부분의 팀들이 근시기에 몰려 있지요. 특히 07-08시즌에는 클럽 피크를 기록한 팀이 맨유/첼시/아스날 3팀이나 됩니다. 1/2위팀이 UCL 파이널에서 붙었고요. 자연스럽게 이 시기를 메가 클럽의 탄생 시점으로 간주할 수 있고, 로만과 호날두가 시발점이라고 할 수 있을 겁니다. 그리고 여기에 덧붙여 갈락티코 레알까지. 결국 갈락티코 레알이 잔뜩 쌓아둔 돈으로 메가 클럽 출현의 아이콘이자 아이돌인 호날두를 사가면서 유럽 최정상으로 합류하죠. - 과거에는 1900점 이상이면 클럽 역사상 최강의 팀이었으며 유럽의 지배자였습니다. 지금은 지역 맹주이자 레바뮌 다음에 불과하죠. 유럽 최강을 논하려면 일단 서류 면접으로 2000점은 기록해야합니다. - 08-09 리버풀은 최소한 밀란 제네레이션만큼 강했다고 볼 수 있습니다. 03-04 발렌시아는 크라위프 아약스만큼 강했다고 볼 수 있습니다. 베법사 후덜덜 - 빌라스보아스의 포르투나 페예그리니 맨시티, 클롭의 도르트문트만 해도 올타임 레벨의 팀입니다. 예전에는 저런 팀들이 유럽 최강이었다면 지금은 그 위에 3~4팀은 더 있다는 것이 차이. - 시메오네의 알레띠는 꾸레알 때문에 언더독이라고 불리우지만, 10년 전으로만 가도 그 말은 성립하지 않을 겁니다. - 아스날은 무패 우승 시즌보다 07-08에 더 강합니다. 그것도 꽤 현격한 차이로. 07-08 때만 해도 아스날이 약해진 것이 아니라 맨/첼/리가 강해진 것이라고 말할 수 있었죠. - 유벤투스는 이번 시즌에 클럽 피크가 바뀔 가능성이 있습니다. 현재 유벤투스의 포인트가 94-95 시즌 종료 시점보다 높거든요. 조공왕 루쵸 찬양해~ - 많은 클럽들이 트로피나 역사적 평가와 레이팅의 피크가 일치하지 않습니다(ex:함부르크, 밀란 같은). 이건 그만큼 축구에서의 결과에 우연이 미치는 영향이 크며, 동시에 비평은 결과주의적으로 이루어진다는 것을 암시하지요. * 수박이두통에게보린님에 의해서 티타임 게시판으로부터 게시물 복사되었습니다 (2017-05-01 14:43) * 관리사유 : 추천 게시판으로 복사합니다. Warning: Use of undefined constant no - assumed 'no' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 133 Warning: Use of undefined constant no - assumed 'no' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 146 Warning: Use of undefined constant vote - assumed 'vote' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 161 7
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