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홍차넷
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추천
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- 회원들이 추천해주신 좋은 글들을 따로 모아놓는 공간입니다.
- 추천글은 매주 자문단의 투표로 선정됩니다.
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| Subject | AI와 영상의학의 미래는? |
 1. 미래에 대한 예측은 항상 쉽지 않습니다. 대부분 예언자를 원하지만, 예언자가 그리 흔한것도 아니고, 어쩌다 보니 뒷발로 맞춘거지 두번 맞출려면 어렵겠지요. 예전에 어떤 사이트에서 놀때 나름 잘난 척 하던 펀드 매니저는 그런 이야기를 했습니다. '미래는 예측하는 것이 아니라 대처하는 것이라고' 와 처음 들을땐 ㅈㄹ 멋있는 말이었는데... 참으로 무책임한 말인거 같기도 합니다. 이걸 영어로 옮기면 아마 'Don't try this at home'인거 같습니다. 오늘 영어 좀 되네요. 2. 이상은 모두 드립이고.... 짤방은 제가 이번 주에 강의하는 슬라이드 마지막입니다. 이걸 영어로 해야 하는데 뭐 제가 그런거 신경쓰는 연배는 아니라... 첫줄에 마침표가 빠진걸 발견했군요. endpoint에 s가 없는 것도 있고 문장 자체도 어색합니다만 뭐 한국에서 하는거라.. 3. AI hype는 공학 업계에서 사실 먼저 드라이브를 걸었습니다. 근데 그 업계도 잘은 모르고, 그냥 뭐 나불거린거죠. 2014년인가에 어떤 사람이 미국에서 '영상의학과는 더 이상 전공의 수련을 멈춰야 한다. 어짜피 대체될 직업을 가르키는 건 니들 양심불량이다.' 이런 이야길 했어요. 처음 들을땐 아 ㅅㅂ 이거 뭐야 제정신 아니네 이랬다가.. 알파고 쇼크 이후에 다들 찬바람이 불었습니다. 그래서 2016년 RSNA라는 북미 영상의학회는 무슨 세기말 같은 분위기였어요. 4. 그래서 곧 대체 될 것 같았던 이 영역이 생각보다 쉽지 않습니다. Discrimination은 끝났다라고 떠들던 그 양반들도 2018년엔 다들 몸을 낮췄더라고요. ImageNet은 수십만장의 사진으로 개 고양이 차 뭐 이런걸 찾는데 질환은 수십만개를 못구해요. 인체의 영상이란건 재밌게도 이 바닥에서 30년을 해도 처음 보는 영상이 나옵니다. 처음 본 사진을 해석할 AI는 아직까진 없습니다. 책임은 another level이지요. 5. 물론 강인공지능이 나오면 해결될 것 같습니다만 그때는 너도 한방 나도 한방이지 아 ㅆㅂ 나는 손재주가 좀 있는데 이런걸 AI님이 봐주진 않을거 같아요. 이게 singularity겠죠. 근데 그건 그거고 그 때가 오기 전까지는 개겨봐야죠. 6. 현재 의학 '업계'에선 AI란건 그냥 다시 도구가 되었습니다. 더 이상 AI가 사람만큼 혹은 사람보다 더 진단을 잘했다고 논문을 쓰면 리뷰어가 이렇게 이야기합니다. 'So what?' 그러게요.. AI가 사람만큼 하는 건 더 이상 이슈가 되질 않아요. 그러면 이걸 통해서 과연 얼마만큼 인류에 도움이 되었느냐, 사망률을 줄일 수 있었느냐, 재원기간을 단축가능했느냐, 의료재정을 아낄 수 있느냐를 증명해야 메이저 저널에 가는 겁니다. 그냥 새로운 통계방법이 나온거랑 근본적으로 큰 차이는 없습니다. 이미 의학계 최고 저널인 NEJM은 특정 조건에서 진행된 AI 논문은 바로 리젝을 시킵니다. General population이나, 조건 없는 적용에서 작동하는 AI만 선별하고 있고, 이 policy 이후에 통과한 논문은 없는 걸로 알고 있어요. 7. 물론 최근 특히 중국에서 나오는 논문들은 무섭습니다. 여전히 진실성에는 의문이 있지만 N number로 중국을 이기고, 의료윤리로 그만큼 막장인 나라는 없기 때문에 나오지요. 근데 AI연구란건 우리 환경에 맞는 data로 입력을 하였을 때 우리 환경에 맞는 결과가 나옵니다. 미국의 자율주행차 AI를 한국차에 주입시키면 '아 개민폐.. 앞에 저렇게 넓은데 안전거리 유지한다고 안붙이네.. 어쭈 깜빡이 넣어? ㅋ ㅈ돼봐라' 이렇게 되지요. 결국 AI란건 그 나라에, 그 의료기관에 가장 맞는 데이터를 넣었을 때 그나마 사람 구실을 하는 겁니다. 미국 솔랭 챌린저를 한국 LCK 넣으면 개호구 되는거죠. 그래서 한국에서 하는 AI연구란게 의미가 있긴 있습니다. 아 신토불이가 여기에서 내 밥줄을 챙겨주네요. 8. 최근에 AI 기반 음성판독 시스템을 석 달간 테스트할 기회가 있었습니다. 처음엔 너무너무 좋더라고요. 와 신기하네 정말 잘 알아듣네.. 근데 지금은 안써요. 한 5%가 부족한데 그거 때문에 너무 시간이 걸리는 거지요. 마치 아이폰 이전의 옴니아폰 쓰는 그런 느낌입니다. 생각보다 장벽이 있더라고요. 아무리 97%, 98% 수치적으론 인식률이 나와도 그 나머지가 너무 귀찮은거죠. 조금 다른 예를 들자면 쿼티 키보드나 물리 버튼 같은 그런거죠. 다 없애 버리면 차라리 적응하겠는데 아직까지 있으면 굳이 없는 걸 선택할 이유가 없지요. 대체 될때 대체 되더라도 대체 되기 전까진 굳이 쓸 이유는 없습니다. 9. 결론적으로 제가 저 미래를 어떻게 알겠습니까.. 그러고 솔직히 영상의학 보단 한국의 미래가 더 없다고 생각합니다. 열 살만 젊었어도 탈조센 하는데 그냥 이젠 ㅈㅂ 할 뿐이지요. 그러고 자신의 미래는 자신이 선택하는 거지 남이 만들어 주는 건 아닙니다. 10. 이 글은 음주상태에서 작성되었으며 예고 없이 삭제 될 수 있습니다. * Cascade님에 의해서 티타임 게시판으로부터 게시물 복사되었습니다 (2019-04-07 18:10) * 관리사유 : 추천게시판으로 복사합니다. Warning: Use of undefined constant no - assumed 'no' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 133 Warning: Use of undefined constant no - assumed 'no' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 146 Warning: Use of undefined constant vote - assumed 'vote' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/redtea/html/a_skin/bbsd/view.php on line 161 28
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머신러닝 입문할때 '의학에서는 여러 질병에서 공통적으로 나타나는 증상의 빈도로부터 증상-질병간 inference model을 학습한다' 라는 이야기를 본적이 있는데요.. 혹시 이미지에서 다이렉트하게 질병을 추론하는 것이 아니라 이미지-증상-질병 이렇게 두단계로 추론한다든가 하는 접근도 있나요.. 의료쪽은 알못입니다
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